You know you have made it when competitors make images like this. Obviously AX can not use the image of Jack3d but it is pretty clear they are referencing. AX Supersize. Nothing new on this as it claims to be the best, like all. The ingredients are different though. No geranium. However a impressively small scoop making the bottle weigh less then the super concentrate of Neurocore. The pre-workout area may not be the niche of Athletic Xtreme.