Athletic Xtreme were the ones who tapped in on the Jack3d targeting and this supp Ultra Reps is another one from the deep dark company that can make some waves. It is a stimulant free product. 20 serves per tub, and it contains all WADA clean ingredients as well as probably stuff that will not do jack. It is an easy alternative to that of the amino driven supps. Though it will be half or one third as strong as geranium driven pre-workouts. It is a good product to create if you want to join the DMAA battle without being a amino acid copy cat.